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Link taken from the LJ of Direwolf23.

Date: 2010-04-19 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Egads. I can't even begin on how many lies and omissions that thing is filled with:

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, second in command at the Vatican, said in a news conference that "many psychologists, psychiatrists and sociologists have demonstrated that there is a relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia."
what they fail to say is that many MORE psychiatrists, psychologists and sociologists, have said there is NOT a relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia.

or how we've "infiltrated"

Or that 80% of the victims are male. Maybe that's because 95% of the children that the priests have access are male.

And now we've been put in the same category as bestialists and necrophiliacs!

The problem is of the church's own making. There probably is a correlation between pedos and homos in the priesthood, but only because when someone has what the church defines as "unhealthy sexual urges", they are encouraged by their family or other priests to enter into the seminary so as to remove the opportunity to act on those urges.

How about this: Give up pledged celibacy like most other christian faiths. Then you won't be tempted by the only possible outlet you have when you're pent up. Or mandatory castration, since you've pledged not to use them anyway.

Date: 2010-04-19 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Wow. Just... wow.

Article is mostly pure bunk. I agree with the first poster's feelings on this matter.

Date: 2010-04-20 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Seriously? Opps, yeah, so sorry we're raping children, it's not our fault, blame:
(a) Satan
(b) Another faith
(c) The gays

Hey, here's an idea, maybe it's your own problem and you should do something about it.

Date: 2010-04-20 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I honestly think that the reason there are so many 'homosexual' priests is catholic dogma teaches that homosexuality is a sin and is purely a mental state of mind. This drives the repressed to seek a life of celibacy in the priesthood to really try to 'save' themselves. All this buries the repressed feelings until the priest's mental state degrades until he has to seek an outlet for their 'unholy' feelings. Unfortunately children (altar boys, etc) are in easy reach of the priest and easy to manipulate. It's a problem deep seeded in the Catholic religion and need to be addressed within their own dogma.

Date: 2010-04-20 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I really have no data as to the percentage of homosexuals that are in the priesthood. However, some studies such as the one I posted below show that the psychiatric community treats the cause as age related and not of a specific sexual orientation. These people are Pedophiles! They care more about age than the gender of a child. It is an age fixation. Otherwise, they could go find a same-sex partner and just keep it quiet as many priests do. ;)
Edited Date: 2010-04-20 04:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-04-20 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'll ignore your vitriolic hatred of all things spiritual and just say that this website is NOT the view of the Vatican. is a conspiracist Mexican website on the fringes of Catholicism. They reported on the Cardinal's statements and then went off the deep end about Satanists and Zionists.

I've been Catholic my whole life, and there are things I agree with and things I disagree with. In general, the Cardinal is right and he's wrong. Most abuse cases are homosexual in nature. But sometimes that's because, as FuelnFire said, they're the only ones in reach.

Celibacy is the main problem and I expect that will be the next major change in the church.

But your constant derision of people of faith does not become you. Remember "*throws rocks at the moon*"?

Religion is humanity's attempt to interpret the divine. As such, it will always be flawed. But it would behoove you to remember that good things the church has done at least balance out the bad, if not outweigh it. You can't say the same thing about Atheism or Islam, for example.

Date: 2010-04-20 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Actually, I don't hate all things spiritual. However, I do get tired of the Vatican pouring out messages that make people free to hate and take that anger out on homosexuals.

Do a Google search on "vatican blames homosexuals" and you can pick your own source for what the Vatican says. I picked because it shows how the Catholic Church fuels hatred for GBLT people and is in part to blame for the abuse we take in the work place, in our neighborhoods, within our families, and on the streets. The Vatican demonizes GBLT people and makes it's congregation feel at liberty to discriminate against us.

I also wholly DISAGREE when you say most abuse cases are homosexual in nature and so does UC Davis.

From UC Davis studies:

For the present discussion, the important point is that many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women.

Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

Date: 2010-04-20 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm aware of the studies. By "homosexual in nature" I was strictly referring to the gender of those involved. Not that gays are more likely to molest, which has been proven false in multiple studies like the one you quoted.

You may not be aware, however, that the majority of the Catholic laity in America and western Europe does NOT agree with the Vatican's views on homosexuality.

Date: 2010-04-20 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am aware of the controversy over the Vatican's statements within the Catholic church. Many Arch Bishops have come out and stated that they do not see this as the case. Still, it is a weapon followers will use to harm us and to point at a higher power directing them as moral in doing so.

It seems the Vatican can't understand what Pedophilia is. I guess it makes it a more difficult problem for them to solve given it is more difficult to tell who a Pedophile might be. However, they need to accurately identify the problem before they can fix it and this misdirection at Homosexuals only harms the church by diluting their efforts to resolve their own internal problem and GBLT folk by placing unfounded blame on them for a horrendous crime against our most vulnerable citizens. In the end, the GBLT community will be the one that pays the price for such misguided statements.


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